God’s Love Is Eternal

God demonstrates His own love towards us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.– Romans 5:8

God commands husbands to love their wives. However, He never instructs a wife to love her husband. Instead, she is commanded to respect him.

This may seem like an odd way to address the subject of love, but God isn’t saying that women should dismiss the commandment to love. Rather, God is love, and His love lives within all of us. Therefore, we are all commanded to love one another with the love of Christ. From God’s perspective, a woman’s love is a response to her husband’s salvation and the love he gives to her. It begins with the foundation of respect and flourishes. Warrior lion bible verse

If husbands are going to be biblical lovers, they also must become biblical saviors. Jesus Christ died for us, not because we were lovable but in order to make us lovable. His gift of salvation is the greatest form of love. When we were lost in sin, He died for you and me. His love draws us to Himself. We’re saved by love so we can receive His love.

Many times, we think of love as vacillating between hot and cold—on and off—but God’s love is eternal. It has no ending. In order to experience it, however, we must accept and respect the fact that He loves us. Once we do this, we discover the irresistible love of God for ourselves.

Source: tonyevans.org
 
Yes, Emmanuel loves his children. Psalm 5:5 says, the arrogant can't stand in your presence, you hate all who do wrong. God hates sins and wickedness. Those who treat God as enemy will find God treating them same way.

Emmanuel hates idolatry and traditions of men and false doctrine, Deuteronomy 12:31 16:22. . God hates perversion, Leviticus 20:1-23. Those who do evil, Psalm 5:4-6. In Proverbs 6:16-19. Emmanuel hates these two most, false witness and those who sow discord.

Ezekiel 18:30. There fore I will judge you o house of Israel, every one according to his ways, says the Lord God, Repent, and turn your selves from all your trangressions, so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

God has pleasure in sending someone to hell, in greek called hades. Its holding place for the wicked until judgement day.

Psalm 31:1. In thee o Lord, do I put my trust, let me never be ashamed. Deliver me in Thy righteousness.

Being Christian will bring some persecution. Life isn't rose garden. Emmanuel protects body of Christ. Enemies of God should be worried.

31:4. Pull me out of the net they lay privily for me for thou are my strength.

The wicked and evil spirits plot to try Christian people off course. If you count on your own strength and understanding, as wise and crafty as Satan, and his evil spirits are, you could be sucked up like dirt to vacuum cleaner to them. Trust in God and repent and continue to pray to God.

31:6. I have hated them that regard lying vanity, but I trust in the Lord.

Emmanuel doesn't like any shepherds who distort God's word to there own imagination. Servants of God are to always tell the truth.

31:11. I was reproach among all mine enemies, but especially among my neighbors and a fear to mine acquaintance. They that did see me with out fled from me.

God's truth is most important and some won't want to associate with those who stand up for Jesus. If you teach the truth, not many will want to stick around. God loves those who are loyal and faithful. Some people have spirit of slumber and don't have eyes to see, its God's protection. By planting seeds, only God can germinate those seeds. There is the millennium where spiritualty dead will be taught, revelation chapter 20 and Isaiah chapter 29.

31:17. Let me not be ashamed, o, Lord, for I have called upon Thee. Let the wicked be ashamed and let them be silent in the grave.

The grave spoken here is hell, sheol. Luke chapter 16, two sides of the gulf, righteous in paradise and wicked in hell. Neither side can cross over. Im not pushing my beliefs on anyone. I respect other people beliefs and perspectives.

31:23. O love the Lord, all ye His saints. For the Lord preserves the faithful. And plentifully reward the proud doer.

God does love the faithful and those who repent. God does love and hate. God is fair.

2 Esdras chapter 7:36. Then the pit of torment shall appear and opposite it shall be place of rest and furnace of hell shall be disclosed, and opposite it the paradise of delight.

7:37. Then most high will say to the nations that have been raised from the dead, look now, and understand whom you have denied, whom you have not served, whose commandments you have despised and Joshua after him for Israel in the days of Achan.

God is fair. If wicked refuse to repent and amend there ways, its pit of torments, until judgement day. The righteous go to side of paradise. God doesn't show favoritism. Again, im not pushing my beliefs on anyone.
 
There is reason to question the eternality of hell as commonly understood. The word translated eternal is often aion which simply mean an "age".
If the gift of God is eternal life, why would this be given to the lost. And if they don't have eternal life, how could they be punished eternally.
 
I lost interest in the Lutheran church when I was young over this point. I saw the requirement that people make a choice and if you make the wrong one you are tormented for an infinite eternity as cruel. I assumed that Christianity was either wrong or had been presented poorly. I have come to think of the typical "do good - go to heaven, do bad - go to hell" construct as a juvenile presentation. It might be understandable since the bible does not lay out a specific description of the process of the unsaved.

We have Hades, Sheol, Gehenna, Tartarus and sometimes the lake of fire all described as "hell". The Lake of Fire is also called the "second death" as if was an incinerator rather than a place of perpetual torment.

There is a judgment for works which one would assume to be proportional. However, little is correlated to punishment duration of intensity. There are some unsaved people who have done some good and even noble works and no mention is made of reward or at least mitigation of penalty.

Since Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world, he owns the right to forgive or take vengeance. However, I do not see where we can clearly and specifically lay out what happens.
 
I lost interest in the Lutheran church when I was young over this point. I saw the requirement that people make a choice and if you make the wrong one you are tormented for an infinite eternity as cruel. I assumed that Christianity was either wrong or had been presented poorly. I have come to think of the typical "do good - go to heaven, do bad - go to hell" construct as a juvenile presentation. It might be understandable since the bible does not lay out a specific description of the process of the unsaved.

We have Hades, Sheol, Gehenna, Tartarus and sometimes the lake of fire all described as "hell". The Lake of Fire is also called the "second death" as if was an incinerator rather than a place of perpetual torment.

There is a judgment for works which one would assume to be proportional. However, little is correlated to punishment duration of intensity. There are some unsaved people who have done some good and even noble works and no mention is made of reward or at least mitigation of penalty.

Since Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world, he owns the right to forgive or take vengeance. However, I do not see where we can clearly and specifically lay out what happens.
CLOSE! So close!
Ignore church dogma, and myths; concentrate on what the words mean!
 
There is reason to question the eternality of hell as commonly understood. The word translated eternal is often aion which simply mean an "age".
If the gift of God is eternal life, why would this be given to the lost. And if they don't have eternal life, how could they be punished eternally.

To the greek aion, as you correctly cite it.

Do you have the greek parse from the New Heavens and New Earth of Revelations? That Second Death is eternal, and clearly it also includes those who's names are not written in the Book of Life. Is aion parsed from that greek passage? If it is, to language rather then the clear claim to Satan, the Man of Sin and the False Prophet, whom we are told will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire (Second Death) then annihilation is claimed for the devil and therein lies an even greater seeming injustice of God, than the one implied by Question. If Satan is to be annihilated then God simply used mankind (through Adam) to effect the fall of man so that Christ could be revealed in order to annihalate the Devil.

Robert
 
seeming injustice of God

This raises an interesting point, the purpose and nature of punishment.

There is a sort of Karma view of punishment with a view to balance such that if you caused x amount of pain, you should receive x amount as punishment. This is more common with civil litigation and the assessment of payment.

There is a sort of banishment where a person injurious of others needs to be incarcerated to restrict the harm he can do others.

There is a sort of educational reformation view that the malefactor will mend his ways. This is often used by parents with their children.

The death penalty is representative of extermination or annihilation.

If one views punishment as a system of payment, then at the end of the "payment" is the person free from any further penalty? Since Jesus paid for all the sins of the world, why would someone else have to make payment and how could they?

It is natural to want to see the person who hurt you get hurt himself. This desire often influences our view of justice. At a personal level the desire for revenge often ties a person to a situation or people that are better off left behind.

Would annihilation be unjust?
 
seeming injustice of God

This raises an interesting point, the purpose and nature of punishment.

There is a sort of Karma view of punishment with a view to balance such that if you caused x amount of pain, you should receive x amount as punishment. This is more common with civil litigation and the assessment of payment.

There is a sort of banishment where a person injurious of others needs to be incarcerated to restrict the harm he can do others.

There is a sort of educational reformation view that the malefactor will mend his ways. This is often used by parents with their children.

The death penalty is representative of extermination or annihilation.

If one views punishment as a system of payment, then at the end of the "payment" is the person free from any further penalty? Since Jesus paid for all the sins of the world, why would someone else have to make payment and how could they?

It is natural to want to see the person who hurt you get hurt himself. This desire often influences our view of justice. At a personal level the desire for revenge often ties a person to a situation or people that are better off left behind.

Would annihilation be unjust?

Without giving first, my view of the structure (in type) you have given, of an essential humanist view of life, I am bound to go back to the greek. There are many lines of reason to do that with, as well, the type of approach, as it were; but if I begin with this lexical approach, first.

Spirit, Soul and Body - Lexical

Pneuma (πνοὴν) the spirit, refers to breath. This word from 1 Thessalonians 5:23 derives from the root word pnoe (πνοή), and signifies the breath of life. This same word is used in the Septuagint (the Greek Old Testament) and is the word πνοὴν in Genesis 2:7.

Psuche (ψυχή), the soul, or life, is translated heart in Ephesians (6:6). It is the same Greek word used in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 for the soul. It denotes the seat of the personality as well as the power of volition (choosing). It is the individual.

Soma (σωμα) is the physical body. The Greek word for body in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 is different to the word dust in Genesis 2:7. This is because Genesis is dealing with the original material from which the body was formed.

Whereas, Thessalonians is a conception of the body as a living biological entity after God breathed into the form of man, the breath of life. Genesis 2:7 is a narrative of how the body came into existence as a biological entity, as well as an explanation of the original material used.

Whereas, Thessalonians 5:23 is a concern for the living body - in this instant - it is a concern for believers alive in their own bodies.

Given that when we speak of salvation (to be saved) then clearly we must have a rational mind, if for no other reason than because God commands all men everywhere unto repentance, and as you say Christ has paid the full penanlty of sin in His own body and blood (my emphasis) so why or why should there be any other payement for sin? Hence the annihilation precept.

To the Greek - The canonical question (extant manuscript giving rise to Scripture) - common Greek, as well, LXX Septuagint Old Testament in classical Greek.

And further, seeing that both sources derive their meaning from language, then it is the spoken word, recorded and then transliterated into an object language cohort, (Kings James to the English meaning for example) we still have to have regard for the language and the greek parse, else the Hebrew meaning.

So to your typology of meanings, the sort of Karma view, is taken from a source text in Sanskrit and derivates to Buddhist and chiefly Hindi belief systems, yet dials to a meaning of reincarnation. I assume that the sort of meaning in your text is a more simplified sense and doesn't essentially speak of reincarnation generally speaking, but as you say, in Civil Litigation proceedings and Compensation proceeding (my emphasis) it is a measured outcome, essential to Just outcomes, and is measured in value (quantum). That is both a litigant fact of proceedings in the High Court and it is also a sociological and psychological sense of shared values, and loss of wellbeing of the victim.

Banishment is a simple expression and needs no real clarification, it is self contained.

Educational reformation view (never heard the expression before), but I assume is a pedagogic precept in a behavioural model (Behavioural in Psychological modality) in the psychological sense of teaching children to be well behaved in civil society and in life, whether in the classroom or at home.

The death penalty certainly removes the so sentenced from life, and therfore from further harmful influence..

I have to say, however, that a biblical account of salvation is significantly more detailed than a single sense of regeneration and hence eternal security in Christ. It also includes reparation, AND physical salvation.

So whilst I speak of a seeming injustice concerning the account of Adam, as a type of Christ, and Christ in the likeness of sinful flesh, salvation must speak entirely of Christ Himself, and if Christ, then all that which proceeds from Him, speaks to Him, and is for His sake. My claimed injustice, therfore, must account for how Adam becomes a source of injury through His disobedience in the Eden account, AND how Christ is the prohesied Saviour who is given to settle that account, yet that itself is conditional to repentance.

Rationally, annihilation may seem favourable, but the Scripture tells us that Adam and Eve were ejected from the garden in the East of Eden, precisely so that they would not eat of the tree of Life, having eated of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, lest they should live forever, and the tense in Hebrew and Greek implies in a state of separation from God and a life of self dependance. To have spiritual life independant of God without end. Yet the biblical account of Salavtion speaks of the soul itself as the eternal agent, whether in death, sepration from God, or in life, in Christ by faith, a gift of grace. Where then comes annihilation?

Shalom
 
Were Adam and Eve REAL?
If so- the penalty was DEATH for their rebellion.

WHERE did that CHANGE?

If I may, Adam and Eve are real, else the entire gospel is done away with. “death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offence of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.” (Romans 5:14). We know that it is Christ who was to come, and in contrast to Adam, who did sin, Christ was without sin. The salient point has to do with the expression “who is a type of Him who was to come”. The word type is the Greek tupos (τύπος), and literally means, struck from the same mould. Yet the true man is not Adam, but rather Christ. And although Adam was the first man, even his creation in the image and likeness of God, was from the beginning to speak of Christ, the last Adam and the second man. 1 Corinthians 15:45-47

It is an unnavoidable fact of Scripture that if we cannot believe in Adam and Eve as individual sentient beings (living souls in a material body), then all the claims of Christ are cast down.

The other difficulty is your term rebellion, which I am assuming you either use yourself deflectively, else, productively out of your own knowlege and beliefs, whether taken as teachings from the pulpit, else written sources.

Adam’s sin is not reckoned as rebeliion, it is clasified as disobedience. I can narrate that if you wish, but it is a jaunt to narrate, and likely not worth while for those desiring to understand the claims of the Christian Church, i.e. tacit, believers who take the name of Christ. There are 20 guests online at the moment. They need feeding, and not simply one another. God bless you.
 
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Were Adam and Eve REAL? YES!
If so- the penalty was DEATH for their rebellion/disobedience. .

WHERE did that CHANGE?
 
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

I have heard a more accurate translation is "dying you shall die". Since Adam and Eve did not die (as we understand it) in that day, we might consider that their initial "death" was spiritual death as might be seen with a disconnection in their relationship with God. I suspect that this is what is regenerated when a person becomes a Christian and may be the mechanism of eternal life.

I was attempting to list various human perspectives on punishment as we do not have much in the way of description from the bible. If we attempt to understand why, how, and who God punishes, we might start with our various human reasons ans then apply whatever bible verses we can to see if such theories can be supported or refuted. By this method some theories might be eliminated. I was attempting to add annihilation to the list of possibilities (although the death sentence might be seen as the same thing).

I was just saying that I did not see annihilation as being unjust. Since Jesus purchased the right for retribution by paying for all the sins, I would assume he would be just to annihilate those who did not receive forgiveness of sins. The burn in hell forever construct is so common it is usually assumed as fact. However, I do not see why annihilation should be rejected.
 
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

I have heard a more accurate translation is "dying you shall die". Since Adam and Eve did not die (as we understand it) in that day, we might consider that their initial "death" was spiritual death as might be seen with a disconnection in their relationship with God. I suspect that this is what is regenerated when a person becomes a Christian and may be the mechanism of eternal life.

I was attempting to list various human perspectives on punishment as we do not have much in the way of description from the bible. If we attempt to understand why, how, and who God punishes, we might start with our various human reasons ans then apply whatever bible verses we can to see if such theories can be supported or refuted. By this method some theories might be eliminated. I was attempting to add annihilation to the list of possibilities (although the death sentence might be seen as the same thing).

I was just saying that I did not see annihilation as being unjust. Since Jesus purchased the right for retribution by paying for all the sins, I would assume he would be just to annihilate those who did not receive forgiveness of sins. The burn in hell forever construct is so common it is usually assumed as fact. However, I do not see why annihilation should be rejected.

Genesis used day as a period of time as in Gen 2:4- These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.- KJB

Adam and Eve DID die in the DAY they 'disobeyed'- as God has said!
 
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

I have heard a more accurate translation is "dying you shall die". Since Adam and Eve did not die (as we understand it) in that day, we might consider that their initial "death" was spiritual death as might be seen with a disconnection in their relationship with God. I suspect that this is what is regenerated when a person becomes a Christian and may be the mechanism of eternal life.

I was attempting to list various human perspectives on punishment as we do not have much in the way of description from the bible. If we attempt to understand why, how, and who God punishes, we might start with our various human reasons ans then apply whatever bible verses we can to see if such theories can be supported or refuted. By this method some theories might be eliminated. I was attempting to add annihilation to the list of possibilities (although the death sentence might be seen as the same thing).

I was just saying that I did not see annihilation as being unjust. Since Jesus purchased the right for retribution by paying for all the sins, I would assume he would be just to annihilate those who did not receive forgiveness of sins. The burn in hell forever construct is so common it is usually assumed as fact. However, I do not see why annihilation should be rejected.

I can see that you were trying to imply that annihilation would not be unjust, and of course that seems reasonable, but as you made the point yourself there are numerous expressions in Hebrew and Greek that appear to create a difficult landscape (my emphasis) to navigate. However, I find that the best way forward is to look at the etymology of the actual words used in the extant manuscripts and then read the context in which they are given, so that tartarus is the deepest region of hell, and is where the angels who rebelled eons ago are in chains in blackest darkness. They are angelic beings and they took the daughters of Adam to be their wives. In that meaning tartarus becomes a region of a common hell.

But it is difficult to navigate and requires a great deal of resource and time to come to a mind made up - Paul’s ‘fully pursuaded' precept.

Whereas the term ‘outer darkness’ in the parable of the talents is a similar device etymologically yet simply means where the light of the coming kingdom doesn't shine (not reigning with Christ being the outcome) and implies a more rounded sense to being put out of the coming kingdom - yet not perishing. The first resurrection. And this is where the ages ‘eons’ teachings take on their doctrinal rigour . John Nelson Derby to cite one example.
 
I have heard a more accurate translation is "dying you shall die". Since Adam and Eve did not die (as we understand it) in that day, we might consider that their initial "death" was spiritual death as might be seen with a disconnection in their relationship with God. I suspect that this is what is regenerated when a person becomes a Christian and may be the mechanism of eternal life.

Yes. The literal transliterated parse is dying, you shall die, and yet the tense is metered to two meanings of death. The first as you say is spirtual death, consequential to disobedience and again is predicated on [the] separation from God precept, but outworks from the law of sin and death in consequncial terms, and the other death is physical death.
 
We all ARE dying. God, thru Christ will RESURRECT!
Churchianity for many centuries has distorted hell (the grave) into a place where the Truine God has and will torture men, women and children forever- truly blaspheming God.
 
Were Adam and Eve REAL? YES!
If so- the penalty was DEATH for their rebellion/disobedience. .

WHERE did that CHANGE?

A new contract written in the blood of Christ.

We all ARE dying. God, thru Christ will RESURRECT!
Churchianity for many centuries has distorted hell (the grave) into a place where the Truine God has and will torture men, women and children forever- truly blaspheming God.

‘Churchianity’ is meaningless. Why even give it any thought?
 
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